This was SBF’s final public appearance before the collapse of FTX.

He was fighting to make DeFi permissioned. To make it closed and appease the regulators.

Erik was defending the grounds that this industry was founded on — an open, credibly neutral, permissionless financial system for the world.

This is a legendary debate between two giants on their views about the future of crypto.

Artwork generated from timestamp - 1:12:43 - 1:13:04 - when Erik asks SBF the difference between DeFi and email.

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